Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

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Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby ISI on Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:34 pm

'Instructor in the art of killing'

A young soldier recently stationed in Indian-administered Kashmir describes the feelings of soldiers braving the cold at high altitudes as they wait to intercept militants.

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We have to go out, again. It is not easy going out night after night but I cannot really help feeling the debilitating effects of the cold.

Our group comprises two different sets of people.

One has the newcomers in it, the load carriers, who are being introduced to this kind of terrain and this way of operation.

They are young boys from 18 to 22 years old.

Then there are the old timers, men who have served their time here and are familiar with the surroundings and must be good since they have survived this long.

Tedious
I am a newcomer, not to this kind of operation but to this kind of terrain.
I slowly become accustomed to the cold, devise methods to ward off sleep, and have also begun to decipher shadows in the night, separating the real from the imaginary.

It is quite tedious going out in the cold waiting, hoping for him to come out of nowhere... So that we can kill him.

Every experienced soldier has a young one with him as his buddy. I also have a young boy with me. He is just a few months older than 19, comes from a family of farmers somewhere in central India, and joined the army to provide them with a livelihood.

I teach him the tricks of the trade: what to carry, what not to carry, how to wear his shoes so that they do not cut him, how many layers of clothing to wear so that we can remain warm and still not hindered when we want to move fast, what position to wait in so that we do not tire very fast, how to aim and fire so that the enemy may not escape... And many other seemingly trivial details.

But when you are in a life and death situation, attention to detail can save lives - it could be the difference between this young man retuning home to see his family again or him returning home dead.

I had always thought that I would enjoy teaching - but that was when I was thinking about teaching English literature.

Here I am, teaching a young boy barely out of his teens how to kill - without fear, without pity, without remorse - just the way I was taught.

'Art of killing'

After sometime the higher cause becomes obscure. After sometime you just start accepting the fact that every night we go out like primitive hunters hoping for a kill - it becomes a very natural thing to do, part of the routine.

When we do kill somebody, we rejoice and dance and hug each other and pose with the dead body as if it was some trophy to be shown off. But we stop being human.

As I sit there in the night, waiting... I think to myself 'how did it all come to this?'

From a young boy who wanted to teach English literature, how did I end up becoming an instructor in the art of killing?

Since when did death stop affecting me, when did I become so numb? I do not know... No answer comes.

What I do know is that somewhere along the line I made decisions in life which have resulted me being here... In the dark, in the jungle, in the cold... Waiting...

The soldier wished to remain anonymous.

For more on this visit BBC
ISI
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby Yumraj on Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:28 am

Indian soliders in Kashmir are very barbaric. They have broken all records of barbarism one might find in history books. It is time for India to packup from Kashmir and send it troops for rickshaw jobs in Bihar, UP and other states, bechari Indian army.
Yumraj
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby truelies on Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:45 pm

Yumraj wrote:Indian soliders in Kashmir are very barbaric.


Guess what the pakistan army did to the (erstwhile) East pakistan and what it does to thousands of teens in various terror training camps in the so called Azad kashmir.. :shock:
truelies
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby harsh truth on Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:08 am

truelies wrote:
Yumraj wrote:Indian soliders in Kashmir are very barbaric.


Guess what the pakistan army did to the (erstwhile) East pakistan and what it does to thousands of teens in various terror training camps in the so called Azad kashmir.. :shock:


And what is it doing to its own people in NWFP.... Pakis are shame for their own natin :ugeek:
I can imagine poor Kashmiris
harsh truth
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby Zero tolerance on Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:02 pm

- statement is India soldiers are barbaric; replies should be something like "yes, they maybe but that's what happens in war-torn states; human rights is the first victim; just look at Iraq and what even the psychologically well trained American soldiers did there; soldiers just lose it in war situations; they are human beings after all"

- incomprehensible answer: "Pakistan this and Pakistan that..."

- immediate need: "take responsibility for your actions and suggest corrective steps".
Zero tolerance
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby Gowhar Ali on Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:38 pm

You Kashmiris !
Indians likely to be burning inside and giving fired comments , Yes of Course they should as thier 50% population is below poverty,lakhs sleeping on roads,BJP killing people, Their Govt. giving crores of Rupees to sportsmen leaving crores of population with empty bellies.And thier CM's drive in Jets costing 2 lakh per hour and worthing crores rupees.Oh dear Kashmiris Indians are so much in trouble please let them say its their Birth Right ! And how much will you trouble them writing comments , Punjab Have already made them mad seeking Khalistan,Assam is firing on thier Men,Gujrat have been already made against them by BJP riots and terrorism,Mumbai is Controlled by Film makers. Its really their strength that they have Just Killed 6 Lakh People in Kashmir from 40's.They are already much feared with war as they ran to US in Kargil war, Now see Why you want them annoy more they are saying they will Resolve the Kashmir issue through Dialogue and they are discussing it from past 60 years let them take their time.They are not killing your people but just making some exercise for thier troops as long time since their guns are inactive and their annimations are too expired and they need to ask a Budget for Gov't as now Coffin stealing is banned by Govt.of India.Their economy is so down and see thier inflation OHHHH! Now let them take some power from URI Project . Oh Kashmiris you have not any sympathy with India, see how much they have served you: they have put crores of bullets in your bodies and see the business of your hospitals and medical shops,they have burnt your homes and make active your insurance companies,they have beat you to pulp as to remain in homes and take rest,they have broken your window glasses and panes to make your laboures work fast,they have make you orphans as to reduce the meals for one member in your families,they have tortured your old and young as to preserve you from cold and snow,they blocked your highways as you may get united again,they have divided Muslims and your Hindus as to maintain your cummunities.They have broke your Masjids as you will come to pray,they have fired your innocents so that your protests remain continue,they have as well beaten inmates of your families and abused many times to make you calm and quil for some time. See how good they are to you and you are shouting for freedom.Don't you remember you are also kept on low posts as you may not suffer from serious decisions.You are not their friends but see they have keep their six lakh troopers to raise voilence and assist you to grab your Land .You were nothing but illeterate they have make you learn from Sheikh Abdullah's deeds . -------------(May Allah give peace to whole world Aameen)
Gowhar Ali
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:31 am

786
Asalamualiakum,

Like your chasm and reprovement dear brother to elegantly delineate the over all distend of draconian actions and lay outs of Indian politicians (with partial involvment of Indian Public mostly BJP rest are cool) in our mother land and tormenting our people who are peace loving and have harmonious propensity . In fact you as a kashmiri need to be prerogative n I really appreciate you with fulsome praise for this
chronologically proficient and highly pragmatic depiction of attrocities on Kashmiries on various fronts because of Indian occupation and pakistani indulgence since 1947. Although I dont know much about the past, but as a kashur I too believe that your knowledge is explicit with absolutely pristine and fecund view about the conditions of Kashmir and the sufferings of masses in our valley.

Dear brother to exorcize Indians from our Land is extremely difficult ? Would you believe that the biggest challenge and the most obdurate and foible thing in the kashmiri cause is immature kashmiri leadership itself. They are just gossamer and always think of gerrymander. That is what makes kashmiries unctuous. This is what has given and gives Indian leadership circle the chance to make grist out of it. We provide them with the way out to obliterate and forsake our will and wish even if we shed blood every day. The most important prerequisite for farternizing the different factions of kashmiri movement under one unit is to avoid flotsam of selfishnes among them first and then if they feel to exclude any faction which dont represent kashur cause for the sake of kashur people there must be a banishment involved in any decision.?

To unite Our real representatives from tantalizing each other first is superflous and then they should be amicable, honest and highly pristine to address the kashur cause just like their own personal issues. There must be complete comfluence among all the sections of kashmiri society to make the kashmiri cause a unified goal. Then only our movement will be strong enough and concise. Our representatives mustn't be stinkard. They must be solicitious, credible and should never segregate. Their segregation gives our occupants and other parties the chance to derail the kashmiri cause and thus they always impose their will on innocent and peace loving kashmiries. It is we kashmiries who create problem. Some sections are proIndians and some are Propakistanis. They are the major hurdles who dont represent kashmires at all. They are fistfull people who just sell kashmir in everyway. Some sell it to India and some sell it to Pakistan. we need Pristine and crystal clear proKashmiri leadership and prokashmiri youth who will never compromise on the identity and integrity of kashmir. Dear bro kashmir is sold by kashmiries to those who could never be friends of kashmir.

We cant defeat India or Pakistan, becasue we cant defeat our own kashmiries ( Pro Indian / Pro Pakistani kashmires who get pumped with money from their respective mentors).
Defeat Pro Indians and Pro Paksitanies in kashmir, then only attrocities n calamities in kashmir would come to an end.

It is just the pro Indian and pro pakistani cultivation of some fistful kashmiries which makes middle class and general kashmires to suffer. Those who are intellects or considered intellects and financially are never exposed to attrocities and sufferings. Just think over it who suffers in kashmir, mostly middle class and lower middle class who just want peaceful kashmir. To them financial security, education to their children , employment is the main thing. For the selfish ends of higher people who are involved in use and exploit innocents if you look at it deeply.

Any ways.
Fee Amaani Allah
Rutt Karin Maula to every human.
Rutt Hidayat for Whole Ummah
Kashmir is a valley of Eternal/spiritual Farternity
May Allah Restore the same love and harmony back in our valley.
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Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby kashur is kashur on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:34 am

786
Asalamualiakum,

Like your chasm and reprovement dear brother to elegantly delineate the over all distend of draconian actions and lay outs of Indian politicians (with partial involvment of Indian Public mostly BJP rest are cool) in our mother land and tormenting our people who are peace loving and have harmonious propensity . In fact you as a kashmiri need to be prerogative n I really appreciate you with fulsome praise for this
chronologically proficient and highly pragmatic depiction of attrocities on Kashmiries on various fronts because of Indian occupation and pakistani indulgence since 1947. Although I dont know much about the past, but as a kashur I too believe that your knowledge is explicit with absolutely pristine and fecund view about the conditions of Kashmir and the sufferings of masses in our valley.

Dear brother to exorcize Indians from our Land is extremely difficult ? Would you believe that the biggest challenge and the most obdurate and foible thing in the kashmiri cause is immature kashmiri leadership itself. They are just gossamer and always think of gerrymander. That is what makes kashmiries unctuous. This is what has given and gives Indian leadership circle the chance to make grist out of it. We provide them with the way out to obliterate and forsake our will and wish even if we shed blood every day. The most important prerequisite for farternizing the different factions of kashmiri movement under one unit is to avoid flotsam of selfishnes among them first and then if they feel to exclude any faction which dont represent kashur cause for the sake of kashur people there must be a banishment involved in any decision.?

To unite Our real representatives from tantalizing each other first is superflous and then they should be amicable, honest and highly pristine to address the kashur cause just like their own personal issues. There must be complete comfluence among all the sections of kashmiri society to make the kashmiri cause a unified goal. Then only our movement will be strong enough and concise. Our representatives mustn't be stinkard. They must be solicitious, credible and should never segregate. Their segregation gives our occupants and other parties the chance to derail the kashmiri cause and thus they always impose their will on innocent and peace loving kashmiries. It is we kashmiries who create problem. Some sections are proIndians and some are Propakistanis. They are the major hurdles who dont represent kashmires at all. They are fistfull people who just sell kashmir in everyway. Some sell it to India and some sell it to Pakistan. we need Pristine and crystal clear proKashmiri leadership and prokashmiri youth who will never compromise on the identity and integrity of kashmir. Dear bro kashmir is sold by kashmiries to those who could never be friends of kashmir.

We cant defeat India or Pakistan, becasue we cant defeat our own kashmiries ( Pro Indian / Pro Pakistani kashmires who get pumped with money from their respective mentors).
Defeat Pro Indians and Pro Paksitanies in kashmir, then only attrocities n calamities in kashmir would come to an end.

It is just the pro Indian and pro pakistani cultivation of some fistful kashmiries which makes middle class and general kashmires to suffer. Those who are intellects or considered intellects and financially are never exposed to attrocities and sufferings. Just think over it who suffers in kashmir, mostly middle class and lower middle class who just want peaceful kashmir. To them financial security, education to their children , employment is the main thing. For the selfish ends of higher people who are involved in use and exploit innocents if you look at it deeply.

Any ways.
Fee Amaani Allah
Rutt Karin Maula to every human.
Rutt Hidayat for Whole Ummah
Kashmir is a valley of Eternal/spiritual Farternity
May Allah Restore the same love and harmony back in our valley.
kashur is kashur
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby kashur is kashur on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:48 am

786
Asalamualiakum,

Like your chasm and retracement dear brother to elegantly delineate the over all distend of draconian actions and lay outs of Indian politicians (with partial involvement of Indian Public mostly BJP rest are cool) in our mother land and tormenting our people who are peace loving and have harmonious propensity. In fact you as a kashmiri need to be prerogative n I really appreciate you with fulsome praise for this
Chronologically proficient and highly pragmatic depiction of atrocities on Kashmiries on various fronts because of Indian occupation and Pakistani indulgence since 1947. Although I don’t know much about the past, but as a kashur I too believe that your knowledge is explicit with absolutely pristine and fecund view about the conditions of Kashmir and the sufferings of masses in our valley.

Dear brother to exorcize Indians from our Land is extremely difficult? Would you believe that the biggest challenge and the most obdurate and foible thing in the kashmiri cause is immature kashmiri leadership itself. They are just gossamer and always think of gerrymander. That is what makes kashmiries unctuous. This is what has given and gives Indian leadership circle the chance to make grist out of it. We provide them with the way out to obliterate and forsake our will and wish even if we shed blood every day. The most important prerequisite for fraternizing the different factions of kashmiri movement under one unit is to avoid flotsam of selfishness among them first and then if they feel to exclude any faction which don’t represent kashur cause for the sake of kashur people there must be a banishment involved in any decision.?

To unite Our real representatives from tantalizing each other first is superfluous and then they should be amicable, honest and highly pristine to address the kashur cause just like their own personal issues. There must be complete confluence among all the sections of kashmiri society to make the kashmiri cause a unified goal. Then only our movement will be strong enough and concise. Our representatives mustn't be stinkard. They must be solicitous, credible and should never segregate. Their segregation gives our occupants and other parties the chance to derail the kashmiri cause and thus they always impose their will on innocent and peace loving kashmiries. It is we kashmiries who create problem. Some sections are proIndians and some are Propakistanis. They are the major hurdles who don’t represent kashmires at all. They are fistful people who just sell kashmir in everyway. Some sell it to India and some sell it to Pakistan. we need Pristine and crystal clear proKashmiri leadership and prokashmiri youth who will never compromise on the identity and integrity of kashmir. Dear bro kashmir is sold by kashmiries to those who could never be friends of kashmir.

We can’t defeat India or Pakistan, because we can’t defeat our own kashmiries (Pro Indian / Pro Pakistani kashmires who get pumped with money from their respective mentors).
Defeat Pro Indians and Pro Paksitanies in kashmir, then only atrocities’ n calamities in kashmir would come to an end.

It is just the pro Indian and pro pakistani cultivation of some fistful kashmiries which makes middle class and general kashmires to suffer. Those who are intellects or considered intellects and financially are never exposed to atrocities and sufferings. Just think over it who suffers in kashmir, mostly middle class and lower middle class who just want peaceful kashmir. To them financial security, education to their children, employment is the main thing. For the selfish ends of higher people who are involved in use and exploit innocents if you look at it deeply.

Any ways.
Fee Amaani Allah
Rutt Karin Maula to every human.
Rutt Hidayat for Whole Ummah
Kashmir is a valley of Eternal/spiritual Fraternity
May Allah Restore the same love and harmony back in our valley.
kashur is kashur
 

Re: Indian Armys Art of Killing Kashmiris

Postby latereaction on Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:40 am

Too much have been said about the 'Indian'ness of the art of killing.
I suggest everyone read the article properly.
It is the heart of a soldier(who happened to be an Indian) who realised that he has begun to take pride in such acts which normally would have sent shivers down his spine.

SO please drop the *****.

As for how I feel about it.
The account is heart rendering indeed. Such is the concept of defense and security in today's world. Have been long since I read such a touching account.
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